Messages posted by: Rocky Marciano

No offence meant Catfish but why dont you get a clue what you are talking about before making any comments. There is a reason all martial sports have adopted concept of weight classes. Other than that I am not going to get into some retarded internet keyboard warrior argument over which poster could in theory beat other poster.

Anyway according to mr. Roy Harris himself you have never ever trained with at all Josh. Also it is very likely that the guy teaching you BJJ is a fraud meaning that he is not certified under Roy Harris - at least it really looks like it. See I happen to know Roy Harris quite well. I'll just say this: BJJ community is pretty small. Roy and I had a chat about this and here is what Roy said:

"From: Roy Harris
Posted: 19 hours ago

*****,

Here's a little more info to help you decide whether or not this guy is legit:

1. I have never trained students under the age of twelve be it a seminar or a regular class. Nothing against teaching kids, it's just not my forte and I do not do it. So, if he claims to have trained with me when he was seven or nine years old, that is simply not true.

2. 13 years ago would have made it 1995. Back then, I was a fresh purple belt. I had just opened my own school. None of my student back then did any teaching of their own. They were all just starting out as white belts and did not even have ability or skills to do any teaching.

3. I have trained thousands of people on this planet. I know some of the people who trained with me come from karate. So, it is possible this person could have been training under one of the individuals that had done some training with me. However, of the karate school people that I remember, only two of them were ever promoted to purple belt or above: Mike Gunlagasson and Ernie Mendes. Because of family reasons, these two gentlemen no longer train with me and are not associated with me anymore. However, they did train with me five to six years. This was 1993 to 1998.

4. Finally, if he claims to be a purple belt under Roy Harris, ask him to show you his purple belt certificate.

His name should be listed here he provided that he is legit. If his name is not on the list then he is not legit purple belt under Roy Harris BJJ system:

www.royharris.com/corner/

Roy Harris

"

Fraud exposed. Discussion pretty much over. (or the guy who you have been training under is a fraud and lying to you Josh in case you are being honest yourself here.)

goldenboy88 wrote:are you a complete idiot? roy harris taught my instructor who in turn taught me. I met the guy once myself when I was like 9 years old in karate. so yea I doubt im a legit purple under him. as I said before grappling isnt my strong suit and I doubt it ever will be. and all we ever had to take for the belts was a test. and I havent done bjj for 13 years solid or else I would be a killer. The last time I even competed in a grappling tourney I was like 16 years old. mma is more then jujitsu you know, its not like I fly down to california and train with him 3 times a week. why are you trying to start a fight here rocky? Its not like I was bragging about anything. so why dont you get a life and stop trying to pretend like you know somthing spectacular.

Let's see...:

No but you obviously are. Here is what you wrote yourself:

"harris jujitsu. under roy harris who I believe is out of california still"

So you wrote/implied that you train/used to train under Roy Harris but you are not listed under him and he does not know you. It is the same with Mike Jen. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt despite you now changing your story. So for the sake of discussion lets suppose you originally meant that you used to train under some guy who was trained by Roy Harris 13 years and that accidentally wrote that you trained directly under Roy Harris. Well I am sorry to say this but that also sounds like BS. See Roy Harris was not teaching anyone but Mike Jen BJJ 13 years ago (you claimed you started training when you were 7) and Mike Jen was not teaching anyone back then. Roy himself has spoken about his training back then in detail. Both Roy Harris and Mike Jen were just blue belts back then tryint to learn BJJ themselfs.

So now you say you met some guy in a Karate class 13 years ago who claimed to train BJJ under Roy Harris back then. Well as I wrote the problem is that Roy Harris was so not teaching people BJJ back then. So what is the name of this guy then? I have my doubts about this guy ever training under Roy Harris. He sounds fake. It is very easy to check so let's check it. If his name is on the list then he is legit. Better yet I'll I'll post something related to this directly from Roy Harris in a few days.

It sounds like some guy in your Karate class 13 years ago wanted to boost his ego riding the coat tail of Royce Gracie/UFC fad/BJJ (remember UFC had couple of first events back then and everyone and their son were trying to ride the coat tail of this new MMA thing which back then was all about BJJ) claiming to train BJJ in order to look more cool in front of bunch of kids. Believe me or not that was not rare at all back then. It was pretty typical and happened a lot.

The thing is that 13 years ago BJJ was rather new thing and only just beginning to spread out from Brazil. There simply were not gyms here and there to train. Even the Gracies themselfs were for the most part still training in their own garages. Yes they put tatami mats on their garage floor and just trained there. Rorion had just started the first Torrance academy. Amount of non Brazilians training BJJ was very small. Everyone practically knew each other personally. There were no kids classes or anything. Gracies did not want to teach any other KIDS than theiw owns and still hold back some. Just bunch of adult males trying to earn their blue belts in BJJ. For real no one was teaching kids BJJ because Gracies taught only adults and rest of the people had no clue about BJJ or were as nobs as they can be not being able to teach a single technique correctly.

"why are you trying to start a fight here rocky? "

I am not. It is just that your story/claim/whatever sounds supicious and after checking few facts it does not look any better... You should check jiujitsugear forums (www.nhbgear.com) for some wonderful examples of BJJ community exposing fake black belts (and destroying their scam business) running a business scamming their students. I dont want same to happen to BJJ that has happened to so many martial arts before. Lamer making fake claims leading to McDojos/bad rep for the art.

Also no LEGIT purple belt in BJJ is "not that good/grappling is not a strong suite" when it comes to ground grappling. BJJ has yet to dilute and become McDojo art.

"mma is more then jujitsu you know,"

MMA is more like watered down these days. I would not even call it MMA anymore but Shootboxing.

"Its not like I was bragging about anything. so why dont you get a life and stop trying to pretend like you know somthing spectacular. "

Not that it matters but frankly said you were showing off to Reaper with that post of yours

There is no way around that. Anyway I can say I know a little something about BJJ and perhaps even more having competed in mundials, pan-ams etc. representing Alliance Jiu-Jitsu/Fabio Gurgel competition team so why dont you get a life and stop chaging your story when you get busted for lying.

Catch a big one for us all HTF!

Btw. Mikkel you need to strip him of the title. That is the least you can do.

Give the title to X-treme Skillz then. He gives title shots to all. Giving that tile to fatny would be pointless. You might as well give all titles to Fatny in that case...

Sure Fatny gives shots and alll but rest of us suck so much we can not beat him.

Are you being serious Professor?

Did he not really for real know how to make a new forum account?

I mean making a new forums accont is pretty obvious and he has to ask ADVICE for that.

Hello guys. I am leaving town for weekend and will be back on next monday. Keep winning in the mean time!

Oh I never knew he got himself banned for padding. Hrm or maybe I just forgot that little fact. Anyway this is taking "padding" to whole new level of cheating.

To the top above all those useless threads about Reaper.

Isn't trasferring titles to your own alt against the rules?

Mikkel? HTF?

"apparently reaper is:300ms,night shogun,azarel,im a ducker and tough koookie etc... hes everywhere :O this is crazy lol."

Your Reaper

Night Shogun is Red Viper

Tough Kookie is... well sorry I promised not to tell anyone.

Ok lets see.

So you think you are high and mighty and all.

You get beaten by bunch of guys multiple times and then you lose your belt as icing on the cake.

You can not handle losing and go all emo making multiple threads on forums whining how OB is all of sudden dead and on about how your skills have "dissapeared" or whatever.

You'll be back just like the rest of us. Thread over.

LOL

Evander Real Deal = Reaper

Once Ray is trough P4P training camp you wont have a change against him Reaper. No matter what alt you use.

Ok now this is something I can check because Roy Harris is a known BJJ Black Belt under Joe Moreira.

Why did I ask these questions from you?

Because I have myself trained and competed in BJJ and submission wrestling for a good long time and know the BJJ community quite well. It is small and tight. Information is easy to get. People know each other. During recent years lamers have started to try to ride on coat tail of BJJ claiming to have trained for this and that time and to have this or that belt rank. It has become trendy you know...

I have a slight problem with you claiming to have trained BJJ under Roy Harris for past 13 years. Reasons for this are following:

1. You claim to have begun training BJJ 13 years ago under Roy Harris. Well frankly said this sounds rather impossible and flat out lie. See the problem with your claim is that 13 years ago Roy Harris was training BJJ in the Torrance Academy under Rorion and Royce Gracie. He had just been given his blue belt meaning he had not trained BJJ himself a lot at all yet.

Now this also means he did NOT have his own academy and he did NOT have any BJJ program. Little bit later Roy Harris had a disagreement with Rorion Gracie and was kicked off from the academy. At this point he started to train with The Machado Brothers and later on with Rickson Gracie. For some reason both Machado Brothers and Rickson Gracie also ended up kicking him out and eventually Roy Harris ended up training with Joe Moreira. The only person he was "teaching" back then was his friend and personal training partner Mike "Bolo" Jen. He did not have any academy and he was not teaching BJJ (he was still in process of going trough the ranks himself) and he for sure was SO NOT teaching any 7-years old kid.

2. " and im only a purple in it. never been my strong suit."

Come one... stop the BS already. Roy Harris DOES NOT hand out belts. His requirements are actually pretty hard. To get a purple belt from Roy Harris means you are killed on the mat and ground grappling is your strong suit. For example. Roy Dean, student of Roy Harris, tapped start student and BJJ brown belt grappler of Ralph Gracie. That same guy Roy Dean tapped even has a win over Marcello Garcia.

NO guy from Roy harris would ever say this: "" and im only a purple in it. never been my strong suit."

Do not let the door hit you on your way out.

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